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The (semi) public rantings of the Duke Socratic Club, a.k.a. Fight Club
Socratics,
My original response to Tony's first email is below. I only responded to him as I didn't want to fill up email boxes with unwanted email. Some of us participate in these kind of conversations more than others. This is not to say that I think a mass email to introduce a topic or ask a question is bad. I think its great. But this Blog is probably a better place to continue the conversation past an intial email. So here's my frist response on 6-19-06...
Hey Tony,
I just went to the Virginia Annual Conference. Either ours was more exciting than yours or I'm wired differently than you are. Evangelism was a major point of discussion. 500+ churches in
At first glance of NC's vision, I'm greatly impressed. I didn't read it thoroughly but looked over the headings and dove in here and there were I was curious. I think its incredibly future oriented. Its focus is on evangelism and outreach. I like its beginning point of confession. It made me think about where I might need to confess for not being as evangelistic as I could be. It is bold and creative. I like the continual mention of "satellite" churches. I like the pairing of small under-functioning churches with larger functioning ones. I've always wondered why some of the small church pastors weren't on the staff of larger churches near by.
I don't know that I'll get to read it all, but at first glance it makes me want something like this for West Michigan Conference.
Hope that is helpful.
Peace and grace,
Tom
While the question of whether the sword of truth is offensive is an angels-pin hair I would like to split with you, I think the linguistic deluge we have just entered is very representative of what I would like to avoid.
I don't think reclaiming ecclesial language is a panacea for the churches ills. I am looking for a way to talk about congregational vitality in a theological manner that doesn't resort to the bickerings of semantics, as evidenced by many of the previous comments. I feel like it's so easy to criticize the megachurches/bill hybls/joel olsteen for their weak or absent theology, but I feel like so much theology has turned ecclesiology into an esoteric academic field as opposed to the workings of Lakeside UMC, anywhere
Phil gave me a line from Hütter about the postlibs that was like, they’ve been clearing their throats for about thirty years, it’s about time they start to say something. I feel like so much ecclesial coughing has been coming from the academy against everything from megachurches to contemporary music to ipods to TV to whatever else that it all melts into an ignorable milieu of You Can’t Do That on Television slime.
I don’t want to cough (and I'm not calling myself a postlib) but saying something is difficult, so I have to cough a little bit to get my nerves up. I consider the Socratic Club a little hanky that I can use so as to not spray mucus around the room.
Those of you reading this probably got East T-Mor's email about annual conference. If not, here is the link to the Vision 2020 thing. I don't really want to comment on that, but on visioning within the Church.
Now I think I first need to make a quick qualification. The temptation to idealism within the academy is enormous, as is the temptation of judgment. This isn't to say that it's wrong, only that it's easy. I think all of us in field ed's or CPE's know there is a difference between Rutgers South and the parish and so that should be kept in mind.
But now to my idealistic judgment. Thinking big is a business strategy. Strategy is a war term and pulls us into a war metaphor. A lax use of language is a great deficiency in so much of the Church Universal and the Church particular, Macedonia UMC and High Rock Lake Summer Ministry no exception. I assume most of you have dealt with the arguments concerning the Church's appropriation of foreign tongues, so I will not go into it here.
Moving on...
The great challenge comes beyond the rhetoric of visioning, beyond the rhetoric of church growth, butts in the seats, money in the coffers, building committees, stewardship sunday, trustees arguments, parking difficulties, politics, and anything else that might get in the way. We need to bracket that off because an argument about language is not my concern. My concern is the church.
I don't have many answers, but there has to be a way that we can discuss the vitality of a congregation without falling into the pit of semantics. That is the discussion I want. Please respond with ideas, correctives, etc. In a few days I will try and write something substantive, but until then, consider this a prolegomena of sorts.
Craig mentioned culture to embracing laicism. I am for a narrowly defined laicism. When I say that I mean I don't want Pastor's telling congregations how to vote, or throwing people out of church because they voted a certain way. I don't believe it is the institutional church's responsibility to be involved in government, but that is not to say that it is not the church's responsibility to be involved. President Bush does not speak for the